Thoughts on Warhammer 40k 9th Edition

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Warhammer needs to stop being pg13, and get back to quality, instead of whoring out the license to every single schmoe and shitty mobile game that comes by. We don't need a reskinned version of every single board game in a Warhammer theme. We don't need a heaping PILE of low quality shovel ware, waste-of-life mobile games. I just put ten hours into Lost Crusade, only to have the server go up for maintenance and to be told there would be a gift given for the inconvenience. The gift was losing all of my progress and being forced to start at the beginning. Adeptus Titanic on Steam is being made by some guy and his buddy in their basement, and has been in early access SINCE 2018!! That's half the lifespan of most consoles! Games Workshop : you're going to lose a die hard fan of both Fantasy and 40K since the 90s if you keep this shit up. I want Battlefleet Gothic (you know, THE OTHER BIGGEST SETTING IN 40K THAT THEY SHOW IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CLIP, GAME, AND TRAILER that they release), and I want Mordheim back, or something very similar for Age of Sigmar. And not Warcry, or ANOTHER card based game. They got rid of templates, and now they're sharting out cards like a 90s vending machine with diarrhea (and speaking of AOS, it's 2nd edition... Why is there not a single video game yet?? Total War?). I want decent Warhammer movies with QUALITY content and large BATTLES. (ULTRAMARINE, I'm looking at you!). I want a new Dawn of War THAT DOESN'T SUCK AND GET ABANDONED IMMEDIATELY AFTER RELEASE, AFTER I JUST SPENT EXTRA ON THE DELUXE EDITION!! Warhammer 40,000 is becoming stale, generic, sci-fi fare, that is losing it's unique charm and charisma. In short... It's getting boring. Look at the 9th edition logo : it screams lame and generic. It's basically just become a setting where they can use words like, "void shield" and "bolter". The new units are disgustingly unoriginal; another walker of one kind or the other, BIGGER Space Marines, ATVs...?? (Like seriously, in the far future, in the year 40,000, the ultimate super weapon IS... THE ATV!! 🎉 🎊 🍾 YAY KIDS!!!) Warhammer isn't supposed to be for kids, but the content now is about as edgy as pop music. Damn shame, that. You have to understand, that I'm all for having an non-exclusive, family friendly hobby. It just shouldn't be Warhammer. The reason behind this is : first they tone down the content to get younger players. Then, they have to simplify everything to keep said players interested. See the problem here? Warhammer is not a simple game, and 10-11 year olds, for the most part, can't grasp the concept of more advanced rules (you probably won't see many young players getting into Necromunda, or something like that). That's why Fantasy Warhammer and all it's fantastic strategy is gone, and now there's this simplified, watered down Age of Sigmar in it's place.

Played during 3rd and 4th. Sounds like a totally alien game now.

Re: GW being run by boomers. It isn't. It's run by gen x and y. And it's not that they don't understand new media it's that they don't care. You're coming to it new so you wouldn't know what they used to be like. They fucking sucked so bad. They did so much anti-consumer shit in the old days. They probably do more now but they sugar coat it with the illusion of customer relations. Think of them like Nintendo. They do shit like sue the fans, absolutely fail at online interaction and services and deliberately restrict supply but they've both got such strangle holds over a niche/monopolistic market and an IP that people fucking adore and cannot get enough of that it doesn't matter and they don't have to care. I need you to understand that the stuff gw does that are good ideas like community engagement and apps were done by the other miniature games 6+ years ago. Compared to other games the rules are clunky, bloated, slow and generally old fashioned. The fact the 9th is bloated beyond comprehension like 5 months after its launch is such a massive failure. I know this is starting to sound like an edgy rant but please please please give warmachine, malifaux and infinity a go and you'll see how fucking tired and boring 40k is. (And yes i am just bitter that i can't find an opponent for a good game)

17 years of being into 40K. Been slamming dice since 5th edition. It is so wonderful seeing new blood enter the hobby.

I’m bored with 40k help

When's the jump to age of sigmar

Tried to start playing in 8th, but that fizzled out. Now, I'm all in, because I've still got all the general hobby stuff like clippers, glue, and primer and the Indominus Box. I'm going to play Charcharodons, since I enjoy modding and kit bashing much more than painting. Hence why I picked up some Vangard Veterans to help augment my Melee further. Hopefully I can get my hands on Tyberos soon, since Forge World is out of his model.

Could you make a "How to play Warhammer 40k video?"

yes, yes, i understand *has no clue wtf youre talking about*

Let's talk about 40k Nvmd, I wanna sell ya this microphone

Steel 5th and 6th edition is the best warhammer edition for all times !

I don’t think you understand how small gw factory is

5 miutes in, no warhammer talk.

Input on the blast rule, Long fangs with missile launchers, over 11 models = 30 shots :P thats nuts going from D6 shots per model too straight up 6 shoots

LOL The app. When you go to any codex it asks you to enter the code showing you own that codex. It's not a $5 entry fee. lol

The blessing of Papa Nurgle is upon all of us! Just discovered you guys thanks to FLG podcast and well, welcome to the best tabletop ever!! :)

In the old days, terrain would just give you a cover save, which could not be influenced by ap, usually 4+ or 5+. Simple, easy to understand and equaliy usable by everybody. Nowadays, you need to keep in mind a plethora of different keywords on terrain which are easy to mix up as they are named alike. I find this unnecessarily complicated.

"the next video will be out this month" laughs in october

I like to rewatch this vid on occasion to laugh at how wrong he was about most everything. "Melee got a huge nerf" lol.

I will never get into wh40k, but i love your videos and streams of it. Thank you for allowing me to enjoy it through your experience c:

Pog

Hi LTsection algorithm, I like this dood.

Genestealers be super thicc that’s how they get there job done uwu

How can you make a video about this... When it was 8 months ago that you decided to make Episode 1 of anything 40k related... and then proceed to make not extra content.

Just blame bricky

I love you guys stay safe. When you guys allow guests on I'd like to bring my Chaos Knights in.

2020 Belongs to Nurgle. Embrace the yuck or die.

I really wanna thank you and bricky. You guys really brought me into the warhammer tabeltop game and I really wanna get into the game now! I think you should check out total war:warhammer on steam aswell. Would make a great video for sure :D

Do you speak spanish matt?

whens part two if that series?

Ok a few things. "I really like that GW is pushing out a lot of content for their game, I think it's super healthy"... for their profits maybe. "It keeps people interested" it may keep you interested, and more power to you if it does, but there's evidence emerging that the rate of releases is actually pushing people away as consumers start to suffer fatigue in trying to keep up with the myriad changes. "GW is a model making company first and a gaming company second". This may be how GW sees themselves but the models are wholly and exclusively made to be used within the remit of the games they produce. They don't design models to be sold as collectibles, demonstrated by the fact that models are sold in boxes containing the numbers and wargear options to match the rules for use within their games. This point of view only serves to excuse the poor quality of rules being produced. To describe the transition from 8th edition to 9th as a patch to 8th is a little disingenuous. Since it's initial release 8th has needed patch after patch in the form of FAQ and errata to core, codex and expansion rules. All due to the lack of quality control prior to publishing, all the more egregious when you consider the prices that are being demanded for products and the fact that GW have decades of wargames rules writing experience. 9th edition is simply a reason for GW to resell codices and supplements to players who only bought into a new edition 3 years ago. The same PR BS we heard at the start of 8th is being regurgitated now with 9th being "the best version of 40k ever" and "the most playtested edition yet", well clearly not when supplements only just released require errata to enable compatibility and issues of incompatibility elsewhere in army codices have to be pointed out by the community for GW to fix. Your point about terrain rule improvements is very true but you completely miss the point that the terrible terrain rules in 8th was a problem entirely of GWs own making. We used to have detailed and varied terrain rules back in 3rd and 5th edition. GWs apparent obsession with trying to turn 40k into a CCG after witnessing the proliferation of MTG communities has led to these self inflicted problems. As a quick point on the App released by GW. Can I just point out that, despite what GW might claim, you don't get access to all the 8th edition codices in the app. There are entire faction rules and "chapter tactic" style rules missing, many datasets across armies are incomplete and asking customers to pay full price up front for features that aren't even available yet when those same features are available elsewhere for free is highly morally questionable. I might also suggest, given that you seem to think that 9th is a tactical game thanks to the increased complexity from 8th to 9th, that you pick up some of the previous editions rules and codices (I'd suggest 5th or 7th so long as you ignore formations) and you'll quickly realise how shallow a game 40k has become compared to previous iterations.

Play solo 40K, better than nothing.

I really wanted to play but I'm medium low class and brazilian, so no chance

Time to move out of cali haha

New fave word: HUUUUGE

Literally most the space marine players I’ve seen and fellow Xenos players: “GW, we need new models for the Xenos, hell, the Eldar haven’t been updated in over 15 years. Please?” GW: “Primaris? Gotcha, more Primaris.”

Blast can be useful for Ork Boyz and Nobz who always have Stikkbombs. At least we Orks got a little something.

I understood like three words of this.

What are you now at as far as expenditure. Guess with codexes, paint supplies and almost constant influx of models you are sitting close to 6k+.

Damn you guys still dealing with COVID? Couldn’t be me

Been playing 40k since January 2014, that’s coming up on 7 years now. Good to see people loving the hobby and lore and getting into it. Love the new edition, got me back into the game after I was pretty meh on 8th. Definitely has some huge imbalances with the Xeno factions but they’re not all as bad as people are saying. Regular Eldar are definitely fucked rn but I got my Flesh Tearers tabled by Dark Eldar just a week or two ago

I know nothing about 40K, I was so confused throughout this whole video lol. But it sounds super fun.

GW is so overwhelmed by their growth, that the support team don't answer my question for two weeks now. So I take a chance, asking YOU guys, the community: I played Warhammer as a kid/teenager, but kinda lost interest 17 years ago. Now, having kids myself, I want to get into the hobby again. I feel a bit overwhelmed by all the new stuff and "9th edition" shocked me a bit to be honest (damn! O_o) My question: Before I buy the next best awesome looking set, I want to get a good overview of most of the factions, races etc in a catalog. What catalogs should I definitely buy to have a good overview? Is there a book/catalog with pictures of the actual minis? And most important: WHERE CAN I BUY THIS?? It seems, I cannot order catalogs from gamesworkshop.com..... (or am I just too dumb?) - honest answers appreciated Thanks in advance

Why your eyes so red tho

For the khan!!!

Stay safe, we'll be here

this is awesome..... but road to 40k ep2 when

Because they are a public company their reports give a lot of insights about how they operate. They have always said that they are a model company and the game was there just to help sell the models. So they never put time in editing the horrible rules. The rules for terrain was expanded because they are making more terrain figurine. The 40k universe could have been exploited even more but it was never their focus.

I managed just short of 8 minutes, couldn't listen to anymore of this nonsense....................

sounds to me like Nids will shift more focus into big monsters and less on hordes, which is how I tend to play them anyway, my Gaunt blobs are generally just meat shields for the big stuff that does the actual killing, so with the smaller table size there should be less trouble with getting melee focused monsters into charge range, and a Trygon or a melee-built Carnifex or Hive Tyrant should have very little trouble ripping a Land Raider in half in one turn of melee combat, and we still have our big shooty monsters (Dakkafexes, Tyrannofexes, Exocrines, Dakka Flyrants) that don't NEED to get into melee range to kill shit. I think we'll also see an increase in the use of our mid-size "elite" type units, Zoanthropes and Hive Guard are probably going to be more attractive options in particular, and with the cover changes can we say BIOVORES?! SO yeah, Tyranids will be fine, use your hordes as cheap meat shields and take more big monsters.

For a all 40k salt needs follow the outer circle channel

You would almost think people have more time to hobby

Hey, lets sell all our stock to stores, then sell all the rest to people.. Sold out made our money. Now lets allow orders to be made by people who shoukd be buying at stores to screw the stores out of sales. Welcome to Games Workshop. I say this as a long time player as well as a guy who use to run a game store..

city girls act up

Love warhammer aos and 40k but I practically have nobody to play with because its barrier to entry is crazy. So now I'm just sticking to warcry and kill team. That way I can build factions for my friends and still spend less than a 2k point army.

GW are brilliant marketeers. You should study them better. Their marketing is a pure artform in it self. it takes a very long time before they can add channels into the mix. GW is brilliant at hooking, and creating fomo and addiction. very few companies can do what they do.

"not a lot of armies bring blast" most armies will bring some kind of blast, what's actually less common is units that are 6+, let alone 10+ now, MSU has been a thing for most armies for a while now, it's only really nids, GSC, orks, and guard that it's even commonplace. I can understand if you haven't really played 8th that you think 9th is shootier, but let me tell you, it really isn't. Smaller board size and focus on objective grabbing over castling have both been massive indirect buffs to melee. Especially now with strategic reserves it is easier than ever to close the distance, rather than it being a case of two castles taking shots at each other for three turns to decide the outcome. Also overwatch being nerfed into a strategem for everyone other than Tau has made charging safer than ever. There's definitely been some indirect nerfs to hordes, but in practice the changes to morale now mean you typically have a much better chance of holding on to your troops and not having a large unit desert because a couple guys got killed. Also big guns never tire isn't as devestating to melee as you act like it is, having it only be able to shoot at the unit that it's in engagement range with means that it's very easy to shut down something like a russ from hitting its preferred targets, it's now more of a matter of getting the right match up as to which vehicles you melee with what unit (like for instance it's better to use a melee infantry unit against a vehicle with anti-armour weapons, since having high strength and damage shots doesn't matter if you can only kill a few models, since damage doesn't carry over). Before it didn't really matter since people just screened with infantry units anyway, now it just means that people don't need to screen, but the points changes have made most vehicles more expensive anyway to compensate.

Blast weapons make me really miss my looted basilisk, pride of my painting case

You do make a lot of good points here. As a horde Guard player, I've been hit hard with 9th. The best thing for my army back in 8th was to take and hold objectives, either form the missions or from Guard Tactical Objectives. Now, with the change to objectives being that you need to hold it for one turn before you can count as scouring it, and with a single Infantry model now costing 5 PPM and with the incressed of points to Leman Russ's, Guard are kind of overpriced now with little buffs to show for it. The moral change has now gone the opposite way for Guard. With morale being devastating in 8th, it's not not bad for them now in 9th. However this has now inadvertently rendered Commissars useless. They have now about a 10 point increases (for some reason) while not having any changes. The event you'll now get to use their Summary Execution ability at it's best is rare, so you're basically playing for a 8 LD model with a 6". It's just not worth it. The funny thing is, I actually agree (at least, in principle) with many of the changes and new rules. The problem is, they need tweaking. And the Secondary Objectives are a nice touch than can help you to get objectives that are easier for you to score. Overall, I'm kinda "eh" with 9th, largely because my army has taken an unneeded hit and it's really hard to find what it's good at right now. I may have to wait for Guard's 9th Codex to be good again. I also find it odd that you talk about Games Workshop as if they're a new company when they have been around for decades in the UK. (40K was first released in the 80s I believe.) I take it they've only recently broken out in the States?

The new rules update is tailored to selling the new product of the best selling army. The sales Ouroboros is ever-present, and will destroy all non power armor factions.

I’d love to get into warhammer, it seems fun!

Dual buuuatttalion!

The thing about the melee nerfs in ninth is that in ninth edition, melee units are generally speaking the only units that can flip an objective in your turn. That is, they can kill the enemies on the objective, and then take the objective in a single turn. With how primary objectives are structured, melee would be mind-boggingly overpowered if they kept all they had in eighth. Horde nerfs are for the same reason, since they can drop a huge block of ObSec dudes on the board, but they did probably overnerf them.

Saw the first 5 seconds of the vid, Thats all i need to see What a great video

What does the protestors have anything to do with this?

It's kinda funny that Warmachine doesn't get a mention when talking about "other wargames". Shows how little work Privateer Press does to get the word out about their products :'>

I always thought 40k was declining, now growing. That is really strange to me.

WHEN WILL THE NEXT EPISDOE FO WARHAMMER BE!

So I should wrap it before I hit it right Magikarp?

I mean they do have a youtube channel but most of the content is a bit over the top.

Are th gods gonna be uploaded by chance?

Bruh. It took you 5 minutes to actually talk about the title of the video

We use that microphone at my college for acoustic guitar and vocal recording!

Everything I see about 9th edition makes me cringe to think of playing again. I live in an area with a big competitive scene and it feels like it's going to be one long edition of "gotcha" rules and obnoxious armies.

Just remember that boomers are not the only other generation. I know its hard for kids to understand how it works but there are more then 2 generations. Most boomers in positions of power are retired why work into your 60s if you make millions a year.

You should check out Warcaster! It's a new mini game coming out from Privateer Press and I'm super pumped for it

I think with the newer 40k since I've been playing from 4th and done a few tornys. It's a good change to see what they have done... But the one little bug for me is the table size. As an main Necron player... I now have to be smarter with deployment. Or just have Death Comp run the table and do 50 odd pluse attacks. But either way there are mainly good things with this. But I do agree with the elite Armys steam rolling but the point changes might balance it out.

Im curious on your toughts about the new space marine and terminator changes

dude im so hyped for the necron void dragon and the deathmark buffs lets go skeleton bois

I've been thinking of building a custodes list with just 1000 points with some sisters of silence and this edition is making me want to start it right now with a combat patrol detachment. Any sugestions on what units I should grab?

This guys videos have so many generalisations and out of context statement that its horrible to watch. I hope that new players steer well clear of his videos.

9e is good. Custodes are the special boys right now

I'm not a huge fan of the objectives and deployment of 9th edition. I'm hoping ITC will come out with their own rules because eternal war and grand tournament are hot trash.

The failure of preorders is due to scalpers buying out the stocks. The reason there's leftovers now is because a bunch of scalpers cancelled their orders.

wait! You can pay 5 $ for ALL codexes? YOOOOOOO WTF

Now im sure that someone of Carp friends or even himself regretting that they didnt make Necron army, hehe

You can just cancel the order if you still want the hobby store one, it takes 5 minutes and your store will do it for you if you want them too

Preamble Skipinator 5:35

You know why this happened, nobody built a Nergal army.

I need a league of legends video

My guy should just post him and the boys painting minis

I have to disagree with your comment that it’s easier than ever to get into 40k (10:20.) I started playing around 15-16 years ago, all you needed were the core rules and a codex and a few models. Now you need a core rule book, a codex, likely a supplement, a chapter approved, latest FAQ and also psychic awakening plus the toys and now also the app as a further option. I wouldn’t say I’m having more fun now than say 15 years ago either

Time to give up on thinking tyranids are a great army. Just gonna play them to have fun. Really should not have invest in 6k pts of tyranids (8th pts value)

So . . . If you're doing a video on 9th edition . . . Can you please do a video on Age of Sigmar? I'd love to know your thoughts on it.

It's been years since I've played 40K. Got into it back in the late 90s, and I absolutely adore the setting, but GW as a corporate entity has consistently repulsed me time and again with decisions regarding lore, rules, IP management, pricing, etc. Matt, it's funny considering I found your channel as a way to still find enjoyment in League, whose characters I'm quite fond of, without having to engage with the parts that were off-putting. It seems that you've also taken on that role for 40K as well.

@6:45 Lol, that was exactly what I did. I wanted to preorder a box (or two...) from the GW US website on that first Saturday. I had it in my cart, goofed around a bit sadly, and lost out on it. Then on the day of the launch, I go to a local hobby store, hoping to see an Indomitus box, but not expecting it. I end up seeing 2 boxes there, and immediately text my buddy, who I was planning to split a box with, and end up buying 1 box (and thankfully talking myself out of buying the other box, now with the Starter boxes releasing soon). My buddy ends up texting my brother, and my brother ends up buying that second box that the store had, about 30 minutes after I bought mine. I then head to a local gaming store, and they end up having like between 8 to 10 Indomitus boxes just on the shelf for purchase.... and immediately I thought "well, I'm happy I wasted my time and energy fighting to attempt to preorder one 2 weeks ago...".

Looks at collection of Guard, nids, and GSC, Whelp, guess it's back to boardgames for four more years.

Good time to be a custodes player ehehehehehe

Rip the ‘Nids:(